Friday, May 14, 2010

More Airsoft assaults, come on Fox news, you have to be smarter than this!

EXCLUSIVE: Toy Gun Sold in U.S. Can Easily be Converted to the Real Thing

By Diane Macedo
 - FOXNews.com
Felons, illegal immigrants and all others banned from buying a gun in the United States have a new alternative if they’re looking to get their hands on a firearm: Just buy a toy.
Felons, illegal immigrants and all others banned from buying a gun in the United States have a new alternative if they’re looking to get their hands on a firearm: Just buy a toy.
A FoxNews.com investigation reveals that a popular recreational pellet gun can be converted easily to a real semi-automatic weapon. And while the federal Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is already aware of the issue, these “toys” -- new, top-of-the-line airsoft rifles -- continue to be sold throughout the country.
Like paintball without the paint, the propane-powered airsoft guns are designed to shoot quarter-inch plastic pellets and are generally used for recreation or in military and law enforcement training.
When the ATF seized a shipment of 30 of these guns in October from a port in Tacoma, Wash., it said they could be “readily convertible” to machine guns. But gun experts called that claim absurd and said the ATF was overstepping its bounds.
Now one of those critics is reversing his position, saying at least one airsoft manufacturer has taken the quest to be authentic a little too far.
“The airsoft can be converted to an AR-15,” firearms manufacturer Leo Gonnuscio told FoxNews.com after testing the make and model of airsoft guns seized by the ATF.
Having concluded that several other airsoft guns could not be converted to fire real ammunition, Gonnuscio said he was surprised to find that he was able to to transform this particular gun to the real thing  -- and with “minimal work,” because its bottom half, or “receiver,” is so similar to an AR-15's.
To make the airsoft receiver function just like an AR-15’s, Gonnuscio said, “All you have to do is drill one hole.”
And once that's out of the way, the rest is even easier. The AR-15 receiver is the only part of the semi-automatic rifle that is given a serial number, and is the only part that is regulated. All the remaining parts of the real thing can be purchased by anyone – any kid, criminal or terrorist.
The cost of buying the Taiwan-made airsoft gun and all the parts needed to convert it to an AR-15 comes to roughly $1,100 -- more than the cost of some real AR-15s. But someone who can’t clear a background check or has been refused a gun for any other reason could use this method to make his own lethal weapon, Gonnuscio said.
Making it into a machine gun, he said, would require yet another conversion, and the makeshift gun would likely be able to fire only 15-20 rounds before it stopped working due to the pressure it would have to withstand while firing in an automatic fashion.
But as semi-automatic weapon, Gonnuscio said, “It may not last forever, but they’ve got a gun to get the job done that they were assigned to do, and nobody knows the wiser.”
The ATF has made no reported moves to regulate or seize any more of the airsoft guns, which continue to be sold in stores around the country, and it appears to be bowing to critics and reconsidering its stance on the guns' convertibility.
“We’re having to take a serious look at this, so it’s just something that we’re reviewing, and I’m hoping we’ll have some information that we can make available to the public certainly very soon,” ATF spokesman Drew Wade told FoxNews.com.
But firearms expert Len Savage said the ATF is taking a “serious look” at the wrong issue -- or, more specifically, the wrong part of the gun.
The reason it’s possible to make these airsoft receivers function as real receivers is that all an AR-15 receiver does is hold the gun together, Savage said. So with enough gun knowledge, almost anything can be made into a receiver.
“There’s a line of AR-15 firearms out there where the lower (the receiver) is made entirely of injection molded plastic … It could be made of cardboard and scotch tape,” he said.
The most important part of an AR-15, and the most difficult part to replicate, he said, is the upper half of the gun -- which is unmarked, unregulated and readily available for purchase.
“The upper is what contains the barrel, the breecher bolt, that’s what contains all the pressure,” Savage said.
He said the reason the lower half of the AR-15 is the part with the serial number, and thus classified as the receiver, is that it was up to the manufacturer to choose the location of the gun’s serial number. Because the bottom of the gun has a flat surface, it was the easiest to mark.
And though federal law has since defined a gun’s receiver as the part “which provides housing for the hammer, bolt, breechblock and firing mechanism,” Savage says the bureau has continued to mark and regulate the lower part of the AR-15 to avoid confusion.
“In the stream of commerce, you’d have uppers that were marked and regulated and then lowers that were marked and regulated, you could see the confusion on a dealer basis” in determining which parts require licensing and which don’t, Savage said.
But even though the upper half of the gun can be bought by anyone, Gonnuscio still says that banning the airsoft receivers and implementing a few new rules for airsoft manufacturers could be a good start to keeping unregulated AR-15s off the street.
“I would hope that the ATF applies pressure to the manufacturers of these airsoft guns to redesign them so they cannot be converted," he said. "Make them move the pin holes ... so that an upper can’t be attached to it without major machining.
"Fill in some of that gap so that they would literally have to chuck this thing up in a mill and totally reconfigure it to work. Tighten up the magazine well so a regular magazine won’t fit in it.”
And because the U.S. is such a big market for these airsoft guns, Gonnuscio said, a foreign manufacture would change the product if its current design were banned here.
“There are tons of good uses for these guns: We use them for training, kids do reenacting with them, kids get out there and play just like the old days. We played BB gun wars when we were kids and we survived. These are little plastic balls that are shot by electricity or propane.
"So let them have their toys. Just make sure they’re still toys.”


I am going to wait a few hours before I respond, it's my federally mandated cooling off period. 

It does not apply to others, as we can see.


Hey Tim, I just found and read an article that describes how to turn a utility pole into a 5 wt. fly rod and a railroad tie into a clarinet!
Now if I could just find the one that describes how to make a French horn out of soft drink cans, I'd be all set!!
I have yet to finish the last project- turning a soybean combine into a two-seat convertible. Having a hard time getting some rusty bolts loose. 

Very well written. He said it better than I ever could.

Some research I made

http://www.examiner.com/x-1417-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m1d28-Arrested-development-in-Georgia-gun-case
Looks like Savage may (?) be trying to get back in good graces with ATF?
Then I just found this on The Barking Moonbat ( love the name)
http://www.barking-moonbat.com/index.php/weblog/the_lie_that_just_wont_die/
I do not own one of these GBB's, I thought they were a bad Idea to bring into the US at the start. That being said, I still will not believe that they will hold up to firing  a .223 cal load. I would love to see his Cardboard lower, and the fact that there is a lower made out of plastic, come on, has this moron never ever seen a Glock Pistol.

From the guns rights examiner,
http://www.examiner.com/x-1417-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2010m5d14-Fox-News-Airsoft-can-be-converted-to-real-guns-Will-that-make-toy-owners-felons

Fox News: Airsoft can be converted to real guns. Will that make toy owners felons?

May 14, 6:17 PMGun Rights ExaminerDavid Codrea
"Felons, illegal immigrants and all others banned from buying a gun in the United States have a new alternative if they’re looking to get their hands on a firearm: Just buy a toy," says an exclusive Fox News report by Diane Macedo.

While converting it to a machine gun, as claimed by the ATF, would require yet another conversion, firearms manufacturer Leo Gonnuscio has reversed his earlier criticism and now claims "The airsoft can be converted to an AR-15."

From the report:

The AR-15 receiver is the only part of the semi-automatic rifle that is given a serial number, and is the only part that is regulated.

Per firearms designer Len Savage:

“There’s a line of AR-15 firearms out there where the lower (the receiver) is made entirely of injection molded plastic … It could be made of cardboard and scotch tape,” he said.

With these new claims, questions I've asked from the beginning gain new relevance:

If, in fact, these toy guns pose a legal and real danger, is everyone in possession of such a lower receiver now in possession of an illegal firearm?

Will there be a recall? Will BATFE issue a circular to manufacturers, wholesalers, retailers...and local law enforcement?

Importantly, will anyone who has one now be in danger of being classified a felon if it can be proven they know about this, making their possession or transfer of their airsoft gun "willful," and thus subject to criminal prosecution?

Do we now have a new crop of criminals? Hundreds or thousands of them? How could that not be the case?
UPDATE-- Len Savage tells me:
What FOX did not print is that I told them anything including plumbing parts that are sold at home depot can be made into a gun and any 8th grader can build a gun in shop class. Making a gun is not a complicated task.

There was apparently a word limit, and the editor dropped many things.

I also gave FOX ATF documents that showed a disparity in ATF declarations on what part of a gun is a frame or receiver. Most recently ATF ruling on the FNC that is VERY similar in design to the AR. ATF says that the "upper", not the lower is "the" frame or receiver, while the AR lower, not the upper is considered "the" frame or receiver.



Developing... It looks like the web is filling up with stories about this, ATF will do something, I will try and keep on top of it.

05/16/2010 found a link to a discussion on the Mythbusters forum talking about this.
http://community.discovery.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9741919888/m/52419955401/p/1

4 comments:

  1. Hey Tim, I just found and read an article that describes how to turn a utility pole into a 5 wt. fly rod and a railroad tie into a clarinet!
    Now if I could just find the one that describes how to make a French horn out of soft drink cans, I'd be all set!!
    I have yet to finish the last project- turning a soybean combine into a two-seat convertible. Having a hard time getting some rusty bolts loose.

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  2. this is bull it would cost more money to mod (modify) the gun than buying the real thing i play airsoft and the gun would blow up after 10 to 20 shot of real rounds

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  3. Ok, so from where and for how much do I have to spend to get every part for an M4? Then just drill holes and file every piece out, weld a bunch of spots, etc. and now I've got myself an awesome zip gun that looks like a real gun! Pointless.......are they going to make pipes illegal? I can make a zip gun out of one of those and nobody will know what it is....

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  4. bad guys can get real guns no matter what the laws are, they don't need to modify air soft guns, to much work, money and i don't be live the damn things would work, better off making one out of car parts, which you can do.

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